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svo Digest    Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:37:25 -0500   V01 #75

Today's topics:
     'Re: SVO:  Rich running, will it toast the guides or what?'
     'Re: SVO:  Lunati cam'
     'Re: SVO:  Lunati cam'
     'Wheel chroming...'
     'Re: SVO - svo Digest - V01 #74'
     'Re: SVO:  For sale!!!'
     'Re: fuel pump bracket'
     'Re: Re: T5 grind'
     'Flush Headlight Questions'
     'Re: SVO:  For sale!!!'
     'Re: SVO: Flush Headlight Questions'
     'Re: SVO:  For sale!!!'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO - svo Digest - V01 #70'
     'RE: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'RE: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  For sale!!!'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'RE: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  For sale!!!'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  For sale!!!'
     'RE: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Re: SVO - svo Digest - V01 #70'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Brake Pads -- was Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'
     'Another Whell question..'
     'CAll me Cooky.. Twin Turbo SVO?'
     'Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff'

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:25:02 EST
From: Mp23cc <Mp23cc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  Rich running, will it toast the guides or what?


With the SHO you also have a piston clearance problem. The failed thermostat
not only cause's a over rich mix. The colder then normal water temps do not
let the  cylinder walls expand at the same rate as the piston. The piston will
reach its normal temp well before the clyinder will, so the piston will expand
faster then the walls do. This can casue the pistons to scuff. In the marine
engine world you need to increase the piston to wall clearance by 50% to
compensate for this. Most motors that are converted automotive motors run
anywhere from 150-180 degrees. If the pistons clearance is kept to automotoive
specs the pistons can scuff. We built a few APBA speed boats, they run in the
283/ 305 chevy class. We have to set the piston to wall clearance at .005, if
the same motor was in a car it would be about .0025.

If you run a high lift camshaft you run more valve spring pressure. This means
you have more load and more pressure on the valve train. With the greater
loading you need everything running at 100%. If you are running very rich with
a 2.3 turbo you will damage your valve guides well before you damage your
rings. This is because the fuel and boost will wash the oil right out of the
valve guide. While under boost some pressure gets passed the valve stem seal
at the top of the guide. This would be no problem with a good fuel mix, it
would be dry and not wash the oil. Lack of good oil will cause metel to metel
contact between your valve guide and valve stem. This will then gall {sp} the
stem of the valve. When this happens the valve stem will act more like a file
and eat the inside walls of the valve guides.  When the boost is filled with
fuel you have a great pressure washing of the valve guides. When this happens
the valve stem acts like a file and eats the guides.  I have seen this before
and it does not take long to happen, how long can you run your motor without
oil? This is what the guides are seeing. Any and all valve guide failures have
been in engines that are running very very rich. Anytime I have been told of a
valve guide failure, it has been with a motor that was running very very rich.
They also had the big valves installed in them. As for the stuck valve, he was
also running the Motorsport type big valves. This would mean that the
retainers are sitting much higher and could never hit the seals. How does a
rubber seal that mat or may not be hitting the top of the valve guide smash it
over? How does this cause a motor to lock up and not turn over until it cools
down? Why would you not send it piston back for inspection if it means you
would not have to pay for a camshaft. Thanks again



Later....Nick

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:40:24 EST
From: Mp23cc <Mp23cc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  Lunati cam


I had them make us ten of the 500 grinds years ago as rollers, I did have them
changed the lobe centers to 113. They made great power, they pull real hard to
redline. The idle was not that good and the power only started around 4000. I
told to Russ at Rapido about this and the following year it was in his
catalog. Thanks again



Later....Nick

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:35:37 EST
From: Mp23cc <Mp23cc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  Lunati cam


What longer valves? Not the Ford Motorsport ones, they are about as long as
the stock ones. Essingler has some real nice long valves to go with the roller
camshaft that they sell. They work great with the cams they sell but they
would not work well for us. Why do you think they say you need a longer valve?
It is not for the valve seal to retainer thing. Thanks again



Later....Nick

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:50:56 PST
From: "Christopher Babson" <cmbabson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Wheel chroming...


Hey all,

Was looking at the state of my wheels recently and notice they've seen 
better years.  (Actually, I'm finally admitting it.....Uhhh, my name is 
Chris and my alloys are nasty)  I know shops are all over the place that 
will clean them up for you but my question is this.... Has anyone had 
their wheels chromed?  I think all three of my cars would look great 
with chrome wheels but don't want to buy new ones.  I like the designs I 
have now and think it is silly to get rid of them.  I know they are more 
work to maintain but I think my years of smacking curbs are over and 
would like something a bit distinctive.  If anyone knows of any shops in 
Northern California, it would help a lot.

Cheers,

Chris

87 XR4TI
87 TC
91 VW Passat


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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 05:54:09 -0500
From: svontim@webtv.net (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: SVO - svo Digest - V01 #74


Hi 
   Can you please send pics of the gray svo
that`s for sale?
                                   Thanks! Tim

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 02:14:40 -0700
From: extremesvo@juno.com
Subject: Re: SVO:  For sale!!!



On Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:59:24 -0800 "Andy Haydock" <andyh@seattleu.edu>
writes:
>First off let me give a little history...
>
>I bought this car from the boss of the original owner (making me the 
>third
>owner).  This car has been meticulously maintained (i.e. LOTS of 
>records). 
>Only after buying it did I find out how rare it is (they even made 
>more
>SVOs that year!).  The car itself has the following:
>
>	never been in an accident
>	~107,000 miles
>	Dark Charcoal metallic with a red interior
>	Ford premium sound
>	power steering
>	power windows
>	cruise control
>	air conditioning
>	engine block heater
>	sunroof
>	sport seats

call me cooky but why is this rare? the only think i would think would
make it rare is the REd interior, but i have read in tons of books that
the only optopn for interior was grey......


ExtremeSVO
Charcoal Grey '86 SVO which needs a paint job bad!
2 Chambered Flowmasters, 2 1/2" Mac Tail pipes(Is it me or does MAC SUCK)

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:24:51 +0000
From: jengel@fastlane.net
Subject: Re: fuel pump bracket


I replaced my tank with one from an '86 GT.  At the time it was the 
least expensive and least troublesome way for me to go.

================================= 
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:44:36 -0500
> From: "Julie O'Conner" <juloc@earthlink.net>
> Subject: fuel pump bracket
> 
> 
> if you have a simple way to put a real in tank pump in my 85...I'll take
> it....always ready to buy rather than re-engineer/make
> 
> jonathan gleason
> 
> griggs racing technical services manager
 
je
jengel@fastlane.net

     "I can resist anything but temptation"
                                  Mark Twain

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:56:41 -0500
From: "Carl Haines" <carlh@anadigi.com>
Subject: Re: Re: T5 grind


My T5 supposedly has synthetic in it.  I'm not sure who's synth.

Friction Modifier???

I know this is something popular w/ Contour owners.  They do it to reduce
the notchiness.

What are the possible or confirmed side effects of this?
Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks
Carl Haines
86 SVO

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard J Biskup <biskup@sheridan.ncd.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list svo <svo@SMARTWORX.COM>
Date: Thursday, December 18, 1997 10:06 PM
Subject: SVO: Re: T5 grind


>Carl,
>
>My '86 SVO doesn't grind when I do the same. You mentioned the new
>carbon fiber synchros, but I know that the blocking ring on the 5th
>gear synchro is made of brass (anyway, it's all metal). Is it possible
>that it wasn't replaced?
>
>Also, I am using Redline ATF, without any 'friction modifier', in my T5.
>It's been working fine, but I don't shift too hard.
>
>
>Good luck,
>
>Dick Biskup
>biskup@ncd.com


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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 8:52:45 -0500
From: DEVENNE@ACAD.WIT.EDU
Subject: Flush Headlight Questions


I just purchased a partially disassembled 86 SVO and I need to put the front
end assembly together. I have all the headlights and directionals along with
the adjusting plates and headlight reinforcement. I was wondering if there are
spacers on the screws that hold the headlight to the adjustment plate. The
headlights seem not to be flush with the directionals. The are actually 
inward by about 1/4 inch. I am missing the rubber assemblies that go around
the headlights though. Can anyone HELP???


Thanks,
Greg DeVenne
86 SVO 9L (49,795 original miles)

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:55:54 -0500
From: Ronald Larsen <Rcl@dms2.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  For sale!!!


No, you read it's wrong.  It's not an SVO.  Of couse he never said what it was.  I'd guess it's a Turbo GT.

So what's for sale?

Ron L.
85.5 SVO
 

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:15:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "Samuel M. Hanks" <smh9814@unix.tamu.edu>
Subject: Re: SVO: Flush Headlight Questions




On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 DEVENNE@ACAD.WIT.EDU wrote:

> I just purchased a partially disassembled 86 SVO and I need to put the front
> end assembly together. I have all the headlights and directionals along with
> the adjusting plates and headlight reinforcement. I was wondering if there are
> spacers on the screws that hold the headlight to the adjustment plate. The
> headlights seem not to be flush with the directionals. The are actually 
> inward by about 1/4 inch. I am missing the rubber assemblies that go around
> the headlights though. Can anyone HELP???
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Greg DeVenne
> 86 SVO 9L (49,795 original miles)
> 
Nope, no spacer.  You can move all of the adjustment screws out 1/4" to 
match the other lights.  If I remember correctly, there sould be a good 
deal of threaded srcew on the head light side (maybe 2"..just guessing 
though) and very little to none at all sticking through the reinforcement 
panel side of the adjust plates.  If that's not it, make sure that the 
sidemarkers and turn signals are all the way back against the 
reinforcement panel.  On mine, it seemed like they would bind and sit 
crooked if I didn't pay close attention and tighten the two nuts each a 
little at a time.

Sam
85&86 SVOs

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:17:55 EST
From: SVO8ntno50 <SVO8ntno50@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  For sale!!!


In a message dated 97-12-19 07:59:05 EST, extremesvo@juno.com writes:

<< 
 call me cooky but why is this rare? the only think i would think would
 make it rare is the REd interior, but i have read in tons of books that
 the only optopn for interior was grey......
 
 
 ExtremeSVO
 Charcoal Grey '86 SVO which needs a paint job bad!
 2 Chambered Flowmasters, 2 1/2" Mac Tail pipes(Is it me or does MAC SUCK)
 
  >>
Its not an SVO, its an 84 GT Turbo.

Paul (CCA Pres.)

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:48:53 -0600
From: rumoving@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Chris Roth wrote:
> 
> Bud,
> 
> >Just a thought...the new 98' Cobra "R" looking stock wheel is a 17" X 8"
> 
> Wow I forgot about these babies,  have you seen them?  

Yeah, I've seen them. I saw a 98' Cobra back in Oct. Didn't realize it
for a few...I was just looking at the wheels saying "what kind of wheel
did this guy put on his Cobra??". They look close to the 95' R models
but they are and inch narrower..takes away from the 'phat' look (my new
word I just learned).

Neil mentioned something about the SVO track being wider than 5.0's
(axle length) and trying match 5.0 wheels to a SVO would be difficult.
Just one thing, the SN95 cars have a wider rear track also....it's the
same rear as 93' and back 8.8's but the axles (with disc brakes) are
also about 1.25" longer. This would also be a budget swap, for those of
you looking for an 8.8" w/disc rear.

Bud Morton
86 2R
85 4E

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:03:49 -0600
From: rumoving@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: SVO - svo Digest - V01 #70


Julie O'Conner wrote:
> 
> You guys...i was cc'ing my 5.0 litre mustang engine last night, and I
> think ford has been lying to us about the displacement for all these
> years....i've measured it 5 times and calculated the bore/stroke cid and
> done the conversions from cid to cc and I keep getting 4940something
> cc's...can you believe that they have been lying about the number for
> all this time....this is almost as bad as saying a cam has .010 less
> lift than it really has.
> 
> hmmmmm....donchya all think we can let this go?


NO, that's actually the truth. It's a 4.9 liter engine. Ford's engineers
called it the 'five point oh' cause it sounded 'cool'. A marketing
scheme, no doubt.

Bud 
86 2R
85 4E

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:46:50 -0500
From: "Sly, Dennis" <DSly@NesbittBurns.com>
Subject: RE: SVO:  re: wheel stuff




>Just one thing, the SN95 cars have a wider rear track also....it's the
>same rear as 93' and back 8.8's but the axles (with disc brakes) are
>also about 1.25" longer. This would also be a budget swap, for those of
>you looking for an 8.8" w/disc rear.
>
>Bud Morton
>86 2R
>85 4E

SN95? what does that stand for.

Dennis Sly
84 SVO, Silver

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:58:24 -0500
From: "Carl Haines" <carlh@anadigi.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff




>SN95? what does that stand for.

It's the current generation Mustang, 94'-preset.

Carl


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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:01:31 -0500
From: "Sly, Dennis" <DSly@NesbittBurns.com>
Subject: RE: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Then I don't understand how this would be a CHEAP way of changing to an
8.8 rear.

Dennis Sly
84 SVO, Silver

>----------
>From: 	Carl Haines[SMTP:carlh@anadigi.com]
>Reply To: 	carlh@anadigi.com
>Sent: 	Friday, December 19, 1997 10:58 AM
>To: 	Multiple recipients of list svo
>Subject: 	Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff
>
>
>
>>SN95? what does that stand for.
>
>It's the current generation Mustang, 94'-preset.
>
>Carl
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:06:48 EST
From: Jakedawg97 <Jakedawg97@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Does anyone know if wheels off of a late model Probe GT would fit the SVO's ?

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:18:48 -0500
From: "Dave Compton" <DCompton@JNPCS.COM>
Subject: Re: SVO:  For sale!!!


>> why is this rare?

This guy is selling a GT Turbo car, not an SVO.  He know's this, no attempt
to fool anybody, it just wasn't clear from his post.

GT Turbos are MUCH rarer than SVOs.  I'm currently looking for one, but I
guess I'm not too wound up about it.  And I really want a convertible
version...


Dave
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:33:18 -0700
From: Chris  Roth <caroth@holly.colostate.edu>
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


At 11:06 AM 12/19/97 EST, Jakedawg97 wrote:

Nope, wrong bolt circle. The probe is a Mazda and has the metric bolt
circle. The probe GT wheels are cool though...

Chris

>Does anyone know if wheels off of a late model Probe GT would fit the SVO's ?
>

Chris Roth	
2 SVOs
http://www.rothfam.com/svo

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:43:11 -0600
From: rumoving@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Sly, Dennis wrote:
> 
> Then I don't understand how this would be a CHEAP way of changing to an
> 8.8 rear.
> 
> Dennis Sly
> 84 SVO, Silver

Then I guess you don't have many SN95 drivers in your area wrecking
their cars. We do here and they are quite abundant. It's an alternative
to the Turbo Coupe rears which are getting harder and harder to find. A
5 lug, rear disc rear that fits very well under an SVO...that doesn't
have high miles on it.

Another CHEAP upgrade would be the SN95 Cobra brakes. 13" fronts/11.65
rears.

Bud
86 2R
85 4E

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:47:43 -0600
From: rumoving@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Jakedawg97 wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if wheels off of a late model Probe GT would fit the SVO's ?

Just for the concours 'show car' guys:

The Probe GT's original tires are exactly the same as the tires
originally found on an 85 1/2-86 SVO. I found some for sale here:
225/50/16 Gatorbacks (5 groove tread design) all four for $275.00 with
only 8k miles on them.

Bud
86 2R
85 4E

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:51:14 -0500
From: "Sly, Dennis" <DSly@NesbittBurns.com>
Subject: RE: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Do the SN95 rear ends have the quad shock mounts ? 


Dennis Sly
84 SVO, Silver
>----------
>From: 	rumoving@bellsouth.net[SMTP:rumoving@bellsouth.net]
>Reply To: 	rumoving@bellsouth.net
>Sent: 	Friday, December 19, 1997 11:43 AM
>To: 	Multiple recipients of list svo
>Subject: 	Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff
>
>Sly, Dennis wrote:
>> 
>> Then I don't understand how this would be a CHEAP way of changing to an
>> 8.8 rear.
>> 
>> Dennis Sly
>> 84 SVO, Silver
>
>Then I guess you don't have many SN95 drivers in your area wrecking
>their cars. We do here and they are quite abundant. It's an alternative
>to the Turbo Coupe rears which are getting harder and harder to find. A
>5 lug, rear disc rear that fits very well under an SVO...that doesn't
>have high miles on it.
>
>Another CHEAP upgrade would be the SN95 Cobra brakes. 13" fronts/11.65
>rears.
>
>Bud
>86 2R
>85 4E
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:19:36 -0600
From: rumoving@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Sly, Dennis wrote:
> 
> Do the SN95 rear ends have the quad shock mounts ?


Yes, the exact same rear housing (87-93 5.0)...but with longer axles.

Bud

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:30:48 -0800
From: Jim Dvorak <jdvorak@deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  For sale!!!



Guys,

He's not talking about an SVO -- it's got to be a GT Turbo.



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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:31:08 EST
From: CHASK <CHASK@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Listers,

Can hardly fathom all this wheel switching momentum.  Not-with-standing a 17"
size which would probably enhance stability and handling (in spite of increase
in unsprung weight), I have never seen wheels I liked better than the SVO's -
simple, aerodynmic (flush) and functional.  Always thought they were the only
wheels to have outdone the late seventies and early eighties Porche 928 wheels
which look very much the same and may even have been the model for the SVO
wheel.  And all this fender lip rolling and cutting talk causes a reflexive
head shaking.

Daaamn!

Charlie (CHASK@aol.com)

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:53:12 -0800 (PST)
From: "Neil G. Chirico" <neil@saleen.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  For sale!!!


HELLO List,
 It's at the bottom of his post in the signature area that the car is a
1984 GT Turbo.
                                   Neil
At 09:30 AM 12/19/97 -0800, Jim Dvorak wrote:
>
>Guys,
>
>He's not talking about an SVO -- it's got to be a GT Turbo.
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:53:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "Neil G. Chirico" <neil@saleen.com>
Subject: RE: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


Dennis,
 Yes, the SN95 rears still have quad shocks.
                                       Neil
P.S. SN95 was/is Ford's internal engineering name for the current Mustang.

At 11:51 AM 12/19/97 -0500, Sly, Dennis wrote:
>Do the SN95 rear ends have the quad shock mounts ? 
>
>
>Dennis Sly
>84 SVO, Silver
>>----------
>>From: 	rumoving@bellsouth.net[SMTP:rumoving@bellsouth.net]
>>Reply To: 	rumoving@bellsouth.net
>>Sent: 	Friday, December 19, 1997 11:43 AM
>>To: 	Multiple recipients of list svo
>>Subject: 	Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff
>>
>>Sly, Dennis wrote:
>>> 
>>> Then I don't understand how this would be a CHEAP way of changing to an
>>> 8.8 rear.
>>> 
>>> Dennis Sly
>>> 84 SVO, Silver
>>
>>Then I guess you don't have many SN95 drivers in your area wrecking
>>their cars. We do here and they are quite abundant. It's an alternative
>>to the Turbo Coupe rears which are getting harder and harder to find. A
>>5 lug, rear disc rear that fits very well under an SVO...that doesn't
>>have high miles on it.
>>
>>Another CHEAP upgrade would be the SN95 Cobra brakes. 13" fronts/11.65
>>rears.
>>
>>Bud
>>86 2R
>>85 4E
>>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:17:59 -0500
From: "Dave Compton" <DCompton@JNPCS.COM>
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


> Another CHEAP upgrade would be the SN95 Cobra brakes. 13" fronts/11.65
> rears.

Please talk about this at length. What needs to be changed, will they fit
the stock SVO wheels, etc.

I almost rear ended somebody in my SVO while racing a motorcycle...
They work good below 100, but above that, it's takes ALL they've got.  On
*one* stop, both front pads were billowing smoke.  Surprisingly, neither
wheel locked (skidded).  I could lock up the fronts on my 87 GT at those
speeds.  arooh?

Any other Ford (save the Cobra) would've NEVER stopped.

Yes, I quit acting like that in public...

Dave
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:45:39 -0700
From: "Gary Morrell" <gmorrell@ford.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


On Dec 19, 14:17, Dave Compton wrote:
> Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff
> > Another CHEAP upgrade would be the SN95 Cobra brakes. 13" fronts/11.65
> > rears.
>
> Please talk about this at length. What needs to be changed, will they fit
> the stock SVO wheels, etc.

The Cobra 13" rotors and PBR 2-piston calipers won't fit in 16" wheels. Most
17" wheels will clear this combination.

Baer Racing has some brake upgrade kits called Serious Street/Drag for Mustangs
that use 12" front and rear rotors, 2-pot PBR calipers up front and rear single
pot calipers with integral parking mechanism.

There is also the A Sedan system with 12" rotors, but the front rotors are 0.3"
thicker than the SS/D system to improve heat capacity.

Both these will fit 16" OEM wheels and most aftermarket 16" wheels. Kit prices
start about $1600 and can be ordered for 4 or 5 lug hubs.

Baer Racing is in Phoenix AZ at 602-233-1411.

Gary M.
gmorrell@ford.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:57:01 -0500
From: Chris Costanzo <BugBug@net-thing.net>
Subject: Re: SVO - svo Digest - V01 #70


At 09:03 AM 12/19/97 -0600, rumoving@bellsouth.net wrote:
>Julie O'Conner wrote:
>> 
>> You guys...i was cc'ing my 5.0 litre mustang engine last night, and I
>> think ford has been lying to us about the displacement for all these
>> years....i've measured it 5 times and calculated the bore/stroke cid and
>> done the conversions from cid to cc and I keep getting 4940something
>> cc's...can you believe that they have been lying about the number for
>> all this time....this is almost as bad as saying a cam has .010 less
>> lift than it really has.
>> 
>> hmmmmm....donchya all think we can let this go?
>
>
>NO, that's actually the truth. It's a 4.9 liter engine. Ford's engineers
>called it the 'five point oh' cause it sounded 'cool'. A marketing
>scheme, no doubt.
>
>Bud 



        That and the fact that the 300 inline six is considered a 4.9, it
would have confused everyone.


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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:18:07 +0000
From: "Chris Roth" <caroth@holly.colostate.edu>
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


> Does anyone know if wheels off of a late model Probe GT would fit
> the SVO's ?

I wanted to make a corection to the information posted earlier to a 
listmember.

I posted that the Probe GT wheel did not have the same bolt circle, 
which is incorrect.

The SVO Mustang has a 5-4.5" bolt circle according to my Pirelli Tire 
and Wheel guide taken from my job when I was a tire buster in 
College.

According to the book, the 1989 Probe GT has a 5-4.5" bolt circle.  
The 1990&up Probe GT is 5-114.3" bolt circle which converts to 
5-4.5". So the probe GT wheel will fit in terms of bolt circle but I 
am not sure of the backspacing on the Probe GT wheel plus the hub 
area will probably need to be opened up to accept the SVO hub.

> I see people running them on toyota trucks, I thought toyotas were a
> ford pattern ?

I thought toyota truck were 6 lug, but I think that is the 4WD model, 
The book I have does not have info on the trucks.  I have never seen 
a toyota truck with probe wheels and am trying to envision the look?


Chris Roth
2 SVOs
http://www.rothfam.com/svo

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:29:36 -0800
From: Jim Dvorak <jdvorak@deltanet.com>
Subject: Brake Pads -- was Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff



I was talking to Bob Wallace of Mustang Illustrated the other day and he
mentioned this new type of brake pad (don't remember the compound) that
stopped on a dime with their test vehicle -- a 1994 Mustang GT. It went
from 60-0 (or whatever) on a stock pad in about 140 feet. On these new pads
(I believe both front and rear, but not sure) they drew consistent 118-119
feet distances.

They're about $200 but sound like maybe they're the hot tamale -- and they
don't mess up your wheels like some racing compounds -- and they're
supposed to last pretty good too.

Anybody seen the article recently? -- Not sure if its out yet.

But by the way, they will soon be doing an article on a aluminum wheel
refinishing kit -- strips the clearcoat -- and you don't have to remove the
tires, etc. 

Keep you eye out for it in an upcoming edition -- it's a couple months away
yet.

Jim Dvorak (aka jim@mustangsvo.org)
'86 Shadow Blue -- 1 of 69 -- Slightly Modified
Mustang SVO...Because there's more to driving than just straight ahead!


http://www.mustangsvo.org  ***  http://www.fordcarclubs.org


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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:01:48 -0700
From: extremesvo@juno.com
Subject: Another Whell question..


O.k. here it comes another wheel question..
I would like to run 17x8's. Now i have a question about tires.  what
tires will fit on this rim? the stock SVO wheel is 16x7" and has a
225/50/16 tire on it.. So let me quess with a 17x8 you could go with a
245/45/17. Right? going down a lower profile tire will give me the same
outter tire circumfernce?

i got a post saying you couldn't use probe wheels, and another saying you
could.  well is it yes or no? :) 

and about rolling the lips with 17x8 this would probalby ruin the value
of the car by doing this, so i was wondering this.. could i try various
backspacings and such to make sure it doesn't rub? like if the stock
backspacing is 5.95 what if i tried a 5.75, or 6.00 this should move the
wheel in or out much but maybe enough where it won't rub.. 
please let me know i am dying to get some new rims..

ExtremeSVO
Charcoal Grey '86 SVO which needs a paint job bad!
2 Chambered Flowmasters, 2 1/2" Mac Tail pipes(Is it me or does MAC SUCK)

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:07:41 -0700
From: extremesvo@juno.com
Subject: CAll me Cooky.. Twin Turbo SVO?


I was just thinking,  about what if you could make a twin turbo SVO
motor?

i rememeber reading about the Dodge M4S, it was a prototype car, you can
see it in the movie "The Wraith" its a killer car, anyways it had a 
inlne 4, 2.2L, with twin turbos, pushing out 350HP, and it when something
like 202MPH.  since it is basically the same shape and form as our
motors, could we try this also, like make a new exhaust manifold, and
intake manifold. and have 1 turbo on each side of the engine? or have
them on the same side but ofset just a bit? instead of having 1 whole
exhaust manifold it would be split of the gasses could go into each
different turbo, 2 cylinders for 1 turbo.this would be crazy.

Or maybe the twin turbo design on the newer RX7's with the smaller turbo
spinning first then have the second larger turbo coming on at
higerspeeds??

if someone could engineer it up, i am sure it could be done.. just
wishfull thinking.

ExtremeSVO
Charcoal Grey '86 SVO which needs a paint job bad!
2 Chambered Flowmasters, 2 1/2" Mac Tail pipes(Is it me or does MAC SUCK)

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:15:31 EST
From: SVO8ntno50 <SVO8ntno50@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SVO:  re: wheel stuff


In a message dated 97-12-19 12:06:51 EST, caroth@holly.colostate.edu writes:

<< 
 Nope, wrong bolt circle. The probe is a Mazda and has the metric bolt
 circle. The probe GT wheels are cool though...
 
 Chris
 
 >Does anyone know if wheels off of a late model Probe GT would fit the SVO's
?
 > >>
Wrong, the Probe wheel WILL fit a 5 lug ford pattern. I have seen them on a
mustang GT that had the 5 lug conversion. They are however Front wheel drive
wheels so I dont know what problems you will run into there. It is possible to
use them though.

Paul (CCA Pres.)

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